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Elmagnifico · Post by **Elmagnifico** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:29 pm

Aye Andrew who ?

Post by **bigdave** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:02 pm

Memorial 30 November

The first Apostle. Fisherman. Brother of Simon Peter. Follower of John the Baptist. Went through life leading people to Jesus, both before and after the Crucifixion. Missionary in Asia Minor and Greece, and possibly areas in modern Russia and Poland. Martyred on an saltire (x-shaped) cross, he is said to have preached for two days from it.

Some peculiar superstitions have attached themselves to Saint Andrew's feast day. An old German tradition says that single women who wish to marry should ask for Saint Andrew's help on the Eve of his feast, then sleep naked that night; they will see their future husbands in their dreams. Another says that young women should note the location of barking dogs on Saint Andrew's Eve: their future husbands will come from that direction.

There are several explanations for why Andrew became the patron of Scotland.

In 345, Emperor Constantine the Great decided to translate Andrew's bones from Patras to Constantinople. Saint Regulus was instructed by an angel to take many of these relics to the far northwest. He was eventally told to stop on the Fife coast of Scotland, where he founded the settlement of Saint Andrew.

In the 7th century, Saint Wilfrid brought some of the saint's relics with him after a pilgrimage to Rome. The Scots king, Angus MacFergus, installed them at Saint Andrew's to enhance the prestige of the new diocese.

When the Pictish King Angus faced a large invading army, he prayed for guidance. A white cloud in the form of a saltire cross floated across the blue sky above him. Angus won a decisive victory, and decreed that Andrew would be the patron saint of his country. Following Robert Bruce's victory at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, the Declaration of Arbroath officially named Saint Andrew the patron saint of Scotland. The Saltire became the national flag of Scotland in 1385.

Born at Bethsaida

Died crucified on a saltire (x-shaped) cross in Greece

Name Meaning strong, manly

Patronage
Achaia, Amalfi Italy, anglers, diocese of Constantinople, fish dealers, fish mongers, fishermen, gout, Greece, maidens, old maids, Patras Greece, Russia, Scotland, singers, sore throats, spinsters, University of Patras, unmarried women, women who wish to become mothers

Representation
fishing net; saltire (x-shaped) cross; fish; man bound to a cross; man preaching from a cross; preacher holding some fish

Elmagnifico · Post by **Elmagnifico** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:35 pm

You is a richt holly Wullie or a saddo like him in Corrie you know Roy

Post by **svenbren** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:42 pm

so saint andrew aint scottish then ya jocks adopted him .

Post by **bigdave** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:07 am

george wasnt english either numb nuts

GEORGE

Also known as Victory Bringer

Memorial

23 April (Roman Catholic); 3 November (Russian Orthodox); fourth Sunday in June (Malta); third Sunday in July (Gozo)

Profile soldier. Martyr. That's all we know for sure.

Several stories have been attached to Saint George, the best known of which is the Golden Legend. In it, a dragon lived in a lake near Silena, Libya. Whole armies had gone up against this fierce creature, and had gone down in painful defeat. The monster ate two sheep each day; when mutton was scarce, lots were drawn in local villages, and maidens were substituted for sheep. Into this country came Saint George. Hearing the story on a day when a princess was to be eaten, he crossed himself, rode to battle against the serpent, and killed it with a single blow with his lance. George then held forth with a magnificent sermon, and converted the locals. Given a large reward by the king, George distributed it to the poor, then rode away.

Due to his chivalrous behavior (protecting women, fighting evil, dependence on faith and might of arms, largesse to the poor), devotion to Saint George became popular in the Europe after the 10th century. In the 15th century his feast day was as popular and important as Christmas. Many of his areas of patronage have to do with life as a knight on horseback. The celebrated Knights of the Garter are actually Knights of the Order of Saint George. The shrine built for his relics at Lydda, Palestine was a popular point of pilgrimage for centuries. One of the Fourteen Holy Helpers.

Died tortured and beheaded c.304 at Lydda, Palestine

Patronage

Aragon; agricultural workers; archers; armourers; Beirut, Lebanon; Boy Scouts; butchers; Canada; Cappadocia; Catalonia; cavalry; chivalry; Constantinople; Crusaders; England (by Pope Benedict XIV); equestrians; farmers; Ferrara Italy; field hands; field workers; Genoa Italy; Georgia; Germany; Gozo; Greece; herpes; horsemen; horses; husbandmen; Istanbul; knights; lepers; leprosy; Lithuania; Malta; Moscow; Order of the Garter; Palestine; Palestinian Christians; plague; Portugal; riders; saddle makers; saddlers; skin diseases; skin rashes; soldiers; syphilis; Teutonic Knights; Venice

Representation armor; buckler; dragon; horse

if you look hes the patron saint of herpes and syphilis aswell

Post by **bigdave** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:42 am

9 different species caught in all tonight, full report when i feel alive again

Elmagnifico · Post by **Elmagnifico** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:56 am

svenbren wrote:so saint andrew aint scottish then ya jocks adopted him .

I would appear to be half welsh , half Viking